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  • #47

  rismisner Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:56:29

  I like long posts ;) I understand what you're saying. It's not THAT useful considering the horde and alliance can't understand each other, but I know what you mean about confusing the enemy LOL.

  It's not limited to the PvP scenarios for WG, BG, and Arena (at least not intentionally)

  Those events are based on COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED (http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT) when it sends the events SPELL_DAMAGE (yellow damage) or SWING_DAMAGE (white damage).

  IIRC, I tested those features in a duel, with a friend in my group, so it's possible that you only get this event for damage done by a player in your party (friendly fire). The difference between the pairs of events for "caused by me" vs."received" is determined by the name of who was doing the damage, but both use the same SPELL_DAMAGE and SWING_DAMAGE events, which may be limited to damage done by members of your party.

  I will have to look into it more closely to see how those events are actually working.

  If you saw it work in WG or BGs, then perhaps there is a limitation to the way the combat log events fire into addons in world pvp that's different from how the game behaves in BGs. I'm just rambling off speculation at this point... I'll have to look into it closer.

  I'll add... I'm really not happy with the way I implemented those combat events. I had a few enthusiastic people asking me for more event hooks, so I thought this approach would handle the most possibilities in one broad stroke. Unfortunately, I find that waiting for the exact combination of combat flags for (absorbed, resisted, crit) makes it seem broken because all of the conditions have to apply, instead of just one of them. The only real interesting announcements in this area IMO are a critical strike and/or a killing blow, and the rest of the combat flag combinations (like absorbed+resisted) are basically only useful for a random chance to say something in the middle of combat, at a time when nobody is going to correlate what procced your macro. That may be good or bad, but IMO if the point is to announce something randomly (as opposed to triggered on a specific event that others will recognize) then the feature should be designed for that, as opposed to coerced into it by a creative end-user (as I somewhat regrettably coerced the "/ss macro stuff" feature into spell groups, for lack of a better idea at the time...). So I may pursue something like that, and I've been considering adding new separate event hooks for critical, killing blow, and both together, ignoring the other flags. (And I had to use it for a while to realize that the combat rules actually allow for a resisted+absorbed+critical+killing blow ... didn't realize at first that you could resist it, absorb some of it, and still take overkill damage and die... seems so obvious to me now)

  Anyway... I think you're application of SpeakinSpell for world PvP and city raids is a great idea, and actually calls for a new feature to identify a new scenario with its own chat channel selection, separate from raid, raid leader, raid officer, BG, WG, and arena... perhaps I should call it "outdoor pvp" and it would use that scenario if you're flagged for pvp but not in WG, BG, or arena... and also in a raid group? Hmmm... I'll have to think about this more too because players on a pvp server would be in that scenario most of the time based on that definition.

  Meanwhile, the latest version adds a feature designed to help with some of the odd cases, and you might find this useful: when you've turned off SS but want to spam a random macro manually, without re-enabling automatic announcements based on event detection, you can still type "/ss macro stuff" and it will still work, even if SS is otherwise disabled. So I made a macro (default UI /m) that calls out "/ss macro battlecry" to put a button on my action bar which I click at times like that during city raids.

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  • #46

  Ayiano Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:35:55

  Love the addon, and like below, replaced my old RPHelper too! I love putting RP taunts and quotes in combat....but there's a slight problem I can't figure out.

  Most of the stuff is set up for random sayings and set to fire during parties, raids, battlegrounds & Wintergrasp battles, such as a random /emote or saying when I get hit or absorb something, etc. And I simply turn on or turn off SS if I don't want things said. I also use a few things in PvE raids, primarily to let someone know when I cast Power Infusion or Pain Suppression on them. Normally, to prevent chat spamming and non-RP server grouping, I turn off SS outside of WG and PvE raids (where everything is silent except for rezzes and PI/PS).

  Problem is, I want to extend those random taunts and sayings into non-WG PvP; primarily city raids that my guild frequently runs; but I don't want to spam those sayings during PvE raids (ICC for example). I have different "/ss macro things you type" for different Combat Events ("I recieve/cause hit, crit, absorb"). I thought if I set each PvP Combat Event ("I recieved PvP White/Yellow damage") to /say for "In a Raid, Raid Officer, & Raid Leader" drop-downs, they would fire off in pvp battles and not in PvE (since I kept Raid, Raid Officer, & Raid Leader silent for PvE Combat Events ("I caused white/yellow damage")). Unfortunately, during a recent assault of Darnassus, none of those events fired, even though I was being attacked by enemy players. I really want to mess with my enemy's heads in city raids. :P

  Does it just not work outside of WG & BGs (which I have turned on in case I care to RP in them)? Or am I doing something wrong? Any help would be appreciated.

  Sorry for the long post, wanted to make my problem as clear as possible (and not entirely sure I succeeded :P )

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  • #45

  LackeDragon Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:53:34

  NICE! I finally found an addon to remplace my buggy RPHelper ^{Thanks, I desesperate to use wow maccro to do RP in combat XD}

  By the way, it could be a great thing to translate it in french. The RP french community need a lot of addon RP in french, because it finally start to revive in our servor apparently :) So, it could help to not stop this wave xD Thanks again

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  • #44

  rismisner Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:02:06

  Ah-ha! That explains it! Thanks for the update. I'm glad you figured it out. I can understand where your confusion came from, and you've got me thinking over ways I could make that more obvious, or easier in some way. My gears are turning... I have a number of planned feature ideas already listed under the Tickets page actually, which I think will help with the situation you ran into (which I find regrettable, and I want to make it better and easier). If you have any other suggestions for improvements, I am always open to new ideas. :)

  Thanks for using SpeakinSpell. I hope you continue to enjoy it :)

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  • #43

  rahl66 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:43:58

  I figured it out, divine plea was categorized as both a buff and spell, so it had an entry under the "when I start casting" and the "when I buff myself with". Thanks for the help.

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  • #42

  rismisner Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:21:56

  Here is a link to the screenshot of the "What to Say?" area of the "/ss messages" GUI described in my previous post below: http://www.wowace.com/addons/speakinspell/images/29-what-to-say/

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  • #41

  rismisner Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:18:46

  OK hmmm... it's hard to explain something I think is obvious, so this is probably going to get unnecessarily wordy...

  1. Go to "/ss messages"
  2. Type in "divine" in the search box at the top and hit enter
  3. select "Divine Plea" from the list
  4. Scroll down to the bottom of this window
  5. You will see the default speech "Don't let me go OOM, if the tank dies again I'll be gkicked" in a multi-line text box that is labeled "Random Speech 1"

  That much I think you got already, but I'm just making sure we're on the same page. Now...

  1. The label that says "Random Speech 1" is on a grouping box, and you should see that the box is wrapped around outlining several window controls including the text edit box, a couple of buttons for Accept and Delete, and a checkbox for "read only"
  2. To delete that speech, either A) click on the Delete button that is inside the Random Speech 1 grouping box outlined area, -or- B) select all of the text in the Random Speech 1 edit box, delete that text (hit the backspace or delete key), and then click on Accept. Saving an empty speech is equivalent to deleting that speech.
  3. To add a new speech, go down to the area below the Random Speech 1 group where it says Random Speech 2.
  4. I have a wild guess that you are attempting to write your new speech into the edit box for Random Speech 1, on a new line after the default speech about getting gkicked, so what you are doing in that case is making a single speech that has 2 lines, so it will always say both speeches at the same time, instead of randomly selecting one or the other... because you entered them both into the same Random Speech 1 area, instead of separate speeches 1 and 2.
  5. After you write a speech into Random Speech 2, and click Accept, you will see the Delete button and Read-Only checkbox appear for Random Speech 2, and a new blank entry box appears below that for a new Random Speech 3
  6. The new Random Speech 3 box at the bottom (or whatever the last random speech box is at the bottom) will not show the Delete or Read-only controls because there's nothing there yet to delete or mark as read-only.

  Does that explanation fix your issue? If you're still having trouble, we could talk more about the Read-Only checkboxes if that's confusing you or causing you a problem, or you may have discovered a bug I was not aware of (because all of this works fine for me as described above) in which case I'd like to know how far you get through this process and what exactly goes wrong - for example, did you click the delete button for Random Speech 1, but the button had no effect? or the speech disappeared as expected,but then it came back later?

  About this last sentence you wrote... Also, for the pre programmed ones, there is no actual entry for them, in the text box the spells appear to have no speeches entered for them...

  "/ss messages" then scroll down to the bottom of the window... scroll way down... If you can't find it after that, make sure the checkbox for "show read-only speeches" is checked/enabled. If you marked the speeches as read-only, and then set it to hide read-only speeches, that would explain why they don't show up. It should not be set like that by default on a fresh install...

  If you still can't find it, then something is bugged, and failing. Disable all other addons and try to run SS as the only addon. You may be having a conflict with another addon (?).

  Otherwise, along those lines, I was told by someone else that the multi-line edit boxes did not work for them at all, which is what prompted me to add the checkbox that says "use multi-line edit boxes" (somewhere above the Random Speech 1, 2, 3 list, but inside the same larger group box labeled "What to Say?" - it's not in my latest screenshots so I'm describing it from memory). The single-line edit boxes have been reported to be more stable for some users, so that might help you, but I could never reproduce any problem with the multi-line edit boxes to know exactly what's wrong there, or whether this advice even applies to your situation.

  Like I said... long wordy post about rambling guesses at your issue... I hope something in there helps. If not, well, we can keep talking about it /shrug.

  I'm back from vacation now too, so I'll have time to implement bug fixes, and put out a new version soon too if needed.

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  • #40

  rahl66 Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:08:54

  I don't think that I was completely clear with what I needed help on. The mod comes with some funny speeches built in for certain actions. For example: When I use *Divine Plea* it says "Don't let me OOM, if the tank dies again I'll be gkicked" It's funny, but I'd like to use my own speeches. Now for some reason, if I enter my own speech for divine plea, it says mine, AND the pre-programmed one. My question is: Is there any way to delete the pre-programmed speeches for spells, or are we pretty much stuck with them. I've read over the instructions several times and the only thing I can find is that "many class abilities come with pre programmed speeches" and nothing about how to disable/overwrite them. Any help would be appreciated. Also, for the pre programmed ones, there is no actual entry for them, in the text box the spells appear to have no speeches entered for them.

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  • #39

  rismisner Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:59:24

  All I can think to tell you is to click Accept after making a change to a speech - there is a little "Accept" button that appears if you have a change entered into one of the Random Speech N boxes. Hitting Enter after typing in a change usually works too. Everything else should be obvious. /shrug.

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  • #38

  rahl66 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:44:08

  Hey guys, just downloaded the add on. I am trying to get rid of the default speeches on some of my abilities, but for some reason, even if I try to add my own speech to the event, it just adds my speech to the default speech that's already there. I'd appreciate some help as I can;t figure out what to do.