Rest In Peace: files.wowace and WowAceUpdater

As I'm sure many of you have heard or scene today marks the day where these services have been discontinued.


Rest in Peace

Today has marked the day where this page has been officially discontinued in favor of the newer systems that have recently been deployed.

While I know not everyone is happy over the changed we're going through and the current state of them I want everyone to know that what has happened has had to happen. I apologize that we didn't have enough time to get everything 100% right, but we're working as hard as we can across the board to make things right. It however is an uphill fight.

For those who don't know....

A few months ago I posted a long forum post outlining the current state of WowAce and what had to be done to allow the services to continue. I talked to authors and users alike trying to come up with the best solutions possible. And now we're here.

It's been a glorious if bumpy ride. The success we've experienced on this page and the updater have been an amazing accident, and we weren't prepared for it.

A little over a year ago Curse.com started subsidizing our servers, and for a time that was enough to get us through the worst of it. But we just kept growing.

Things reached a critical mass during 2.4. We filled up the entirety of the 1 gigabit connection we where using and ended up pushing out more than 300GB an hour. With more than 500k users downloading updates for every small change things just couldn't keep up financially.

So that leads us to today.

In Closing

We encourage all users who are looking for updates for their addons to head over to Curse.com and look around. If you're looking for Beta and or Alpha releases and are part of our testing community please join us on the new site.

If you're used to using WowAceUpdater or one of the other third party clients that used this page we encourage you to try out the new Curse Client. It's not as polished as we'd like and it will certainly receive a lot more work here in the new future.


The above text appeared this morning on files.wowace.com.

I do this with a heavy heart in many ways, but it has to be done, and not is all lost for there is much to be excited about as well. We have an exciting opportunity to reforge out past mistakes into something amazing. No it will not be pleasant, but yes we will succeed.

I'm constantly amazed by our community and I ask you all one simple question.

We're taking one step back so that we may take two steps forward, will you walk with me?


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  • Avatar of pfooti pfooti Oct 17, 2008 at 13:25 UTC - 0 likes

    I used WowAce exclusively because WAU was so freakin' great. Handled all my cross-dependencies, kept everything up to date, and Just Plain Worked. I replaced all my non-Ace addons with Ace ones, just to make my life easier, and all was good. It was good because WAU was so well-designed.

    I understand the bandwidth issues make it impossible to continue on the wowace site, but the curse updater is so craptastic, I want to cut myself. It doesn't notice when I remove addons, it doesn't do ANYTHING about dependencies and libraries at all, it regularly hangs, and it even seems to download broken versions - Pitbull didn't work for me until I manually downloaded it from the curse.com site.

    So, now I'm back to the old-fashioned strategy of keeping fewer addons, getting them from a variety of sites, and marking them up with comments so I remember where I got them (in macOSX, at least, you can attach a text comment to files, I put the URL there.)

    Here's my suggestion: stop working on the Curse client. Make WAU work with curse.

  • Avatar of honem honem Oct 17, 2008 at 12:11 UTC - 0 likes

    @malfactorius .... the problem was to do with the packager not how much bandwidth was avaliable. It was effectively packaging up a new zip everytime someone committed anything and all you people out there with the WAU would be clicking that little update button like monkeys on crack. Something had to break sooner or later

    @lifebleed . READ ALL of the forum threads above. Then you'll understand you are not paying for the addons . You can still get updates without paying anything . It just takes a little longer but still quicker then loading every page up

    @ghloom ...You should read the forum threads as well . The ace community ain't going no where. Curse as it stands is going to change to a version where its easier for the developers. They're loving it already :D . And btw ACE ≠ awesome magic super efficient omg will iron your socks and pour your orange juice low memory code. Shitty coders make shitty addons. Good coders make good addons. Aint nothing going to change that ...ace has very little to do with it

  • Avatar of ghloom ghloom Oct 17, 2008 at 09:30 UTC - 0 likes

    In the past I could count on add-ons being updated in a timely fashion around major release dates if they were ACE addons. Why? Because the developers in that community were active ... something fostered by the environment and tools they used catering to their needs.

    I abandoned Curse 2 years ago when they went from lightweight to graphic and ad-heavy. Most of what's on curse doesn't see updates for ages. Why? Because it DOES NOT cater to the developers...

    I've been using the Curse client for a while now. And yes, in all 3 (alpha/beta/release) modes. I'm less than impressed. I miss the thin, fast WAU. I miss regularly updated addons, too...

    Like others here, I will use anything but Curse. So far, wowinterface.com has done a superior job of getting add-on updates out the door. It's not wowace -- not by far -- but it sure as heck beats curse.

    -- G

  • Avatar of lifebleeder lifebleeder Oct 17, 2008 at 02:30 UTC - 0 likes

    I'm a bit confused here, People say womatrix is bad for the devs but I cannot see why. I give a 2 click update so people ca use the devs addons and as of yet i have seen a dev charge for a addon that doesnt have its own updates.

    Curse is bulky and slow where wowaceupdater was ok but its tendency to add unstable versions without notice sucked.

    Sounds to me like more fanboy screaming and name calling then actual reasoning given why matrix is bad.

    Sorry curse but forcing a addon thats free and works to get canned so you can charge for yours is pretty much the worst way to do business.


  • Avatar of malfactorius malfactorius Oct 17, 2008 at 01:55 UTC - 0 likes

    If download bandwidth is the issue, why not leverage one of the download sites like rapidshare? I've never researched them, but I know some of them even pay you for people downloading.

  • Avatar of honem honem Oct 17, 2008 at 00:18 UTC - 0 likes

    @Fredis88

    Search box at top right. You should really login with a curse networking login. Then you can actually download beta versions from this site using the "files" link on the project page. Not that I'm recommending that for the future just while they get the release versions stabilised for 3.02. You can also make a subscription to the project page so you can emails for when the page changes (a much better way than checking addon pages like a monkey on crack)

  • Avatar of honem honem Oct 17, 2008 at 00:12 UTC - 0 likes

    @Hoern

    The curseforge move was done solely to make it easier for the addon programmers. Wow matrix doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about the programmers wishes (ie removing their addons from their update list on request , no way of manually updating what version it downloads , no svn access etc) . That's the difference where wow matrix doesn't care about the programmers this curseforge move does

    Also here's a little tidbit for you - Curse have been secretly backing the wowace project for months now (backing as it providing bandwidth and server space) . And yes there was a lengthy planning and discussion period of around 2 months. Kaelten kinda outlined it in a sort "this is the way forward" way. IMHO If he didn't present this option he would of been forced to close the door on the project completley ;(

  • Avatar of Hoern Hoern Oct 16, 2008 at 20:57 UTC - 0 likes
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    Don't use wow matrix. It makes addon authors cry :(

    While I wholeheartedly agree, could you please outline the difference between WoWmatrix moving addons into their infrastructure to - at a later date - add advertisements to the delivery, essentially creating a walled garden that can only be accessed by one updater, and Cuse moving WoWace into the Curse network, removing access for all but their updater, essentially creating a walled garden in order to perpetuate the Curse Profiler and sell ads/premium services down the road.

    Quote:

    Greed as little to do with especially since Kaelten's been paying the bandwidth out of his pocket for the last few months.

    Again, while I wholeheartedly agree, would it be fair to say that Curse was given a no-bid contract in this case? Would there have been an alternative sponsor who could have saved the project by paying for the bandwidth and hardware and, maybe, sponsor a move to a more open platform with varied ingres points like, say CollabNet EE?

    Quote:

    No, it's not a surprise. A change has been needed for years. And this specific change was in planning and discussion with the community for months before it happened.

    Seerah, is it fair to say that the overall sentiment was not in favor of Curse, and that the "planning and discussion" was more an "announce and justify" period?

  • Avatar of Crelbourne Crelbourne Oct 16, 2008 at 20:33 UTC - 0 likes

    Thanks for what was a fantastic updater.

    I'll be using anything but Curse from now on.

  • Avatar of Kaelten Kaelten Oct 16, 2008 at 20:27 UTC - 0 likes

    Fredis88: type a word in the box at the top right and you'll be along your way :)

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