Curse and WoWInterface working together to help protect our authors and other site-users

Recently Curse and WoWInterface got together to come up with a solution for an ongoing problem. The problem in question is WowMatrix. The reasons they are a problem are many:

  • WowMatrix violates author copyright and intellectual property rights:
    • They redistribute addons without authors' permissions;
    • When they first started they would scrape the legimate sites for addons then upload them to their own site in addition to deep-linking from the sites;
    • They edited authors' files to remove donation requests and links to their home sites, etc.; and
    • They have failed on many occasions to honour authors' requests to remove addons from their application;
  • In a lot of cases the files served to users have been many versions out of date. This leads to authors having users complain about bugs, bugs that were fixed days or weeks ago in versions that are available on the legitimate sites, causing problems for both the authors and for the end-users;
  • Until the community raised a hue and cry, WowMatrix didn't even supply the authors' names as to who wrote the addon, let alone provide a link to where the addon was legitimately hosted;
  • WowMatrix leeches from the legitimate hosting sites without permission, let alone compensation. Originally, they scraped our sites so they could upload addons to their own site without permission, in addition to deeplinking from our sites. They have finally stopped hosting the addons on their own site, but they still deeplink from our sites, using our resources to run their program. Curse and WoWInterface use a lot of bandwidth every month which costs a lot of money. The way we pay our bills is through site ads, which are directly dependent on users viewing them, and premium memberships. WowMatrix bypasses our download pages, and, as a result, people are not viewing the ads. Of course, this means the ads aren't generating any revenue to pay for the bandwidth. At the rate they were going, if they were allowed to continue using our resources without any compensation, they were going to drive us right out of business. Not only are they stealing our bandwidth and preventing us from being able to recoup that loss, they also have their own ads all over their site and application. They are directly profiting from the stolen bandwidth; and
  • Due to the massive resource drains they put on our sites, we have all experienced heightened loads and weaker performance, especially on patch days. During those days they download so much from our sites that sometimes we have a hard time keeping up to the demands; thus causing legitimate users to experience problems accessing our sites. That's just flat out unacceptable.

For months now, both sites and multiple authors have been trying to come up with solutions to the problems caused by WowMatrix. However, WowMatrix just keeps ignoring authors' requests to remove their addons from their application, working around the protections we have put in place, and proving repeatedly that they have no intention of ever becoming responsible, legitimate members of the community. Instead, they choose to continue to leech off the community. Well we, Curse and WowInterface, have gotten together and between us we believe we may have found a solution to prevent them from pulling authors' addons from our sites to redistribute without permission and stealing our bandwidth any longer. Unfortunately we cannot release details on the solution, so as to keep it viable.

"Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah, get to the important question: What does this mean for me, your sites' user?" For the majority of users it should be completely transparent, you should not notice any difference whatsoever, other than improved site responsiveness during patch days. We hope that we will be able to revert the changes made to our sites eventually, if WowMatrix ever stops violating authors' copyright and ceases stealing our bandwidth and other resources.

If you were previously using WowMatrix to keep your addons updated, please use our official updaters (Curse, WoWInterface). You may also mark addons as favorites on both WoWInterface and Curse in order to be alerted when they are updated.

Kaelten
Administrator, Curse & WowAce

Cairenn
Administrator, WoWInterface

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  • Avatar of koaschten koaschten Apr 15, 2009 at 06:58 UTC - 0 likes

    Grats on the move! As an early adopter in late november i went through quite some versions of CC and non ever let me down. I can't see what the hatred is here. Obviously you aren't able to run a simple program.

  • Avatar of cremor cremor Apr 15, 2009 at 05:32 UTC - 0 likes

    @Wizardling and all other (former) WowMatrix users:
    If you can't use a simple program like the Curse Client is, it's your fault, not the program's. The Curse Client works without problems for many people (including me).
    I'm sure Kaelten has some numbers about it, maybe he'll share them?

  • Avatar of Wizardling Wizardling Apr 15, 2009 at 04:19 UTC - 0 likes

    So if you manage to break WowMatrix what do I use then? Because both updaters you mention are worse than useless. No offence - but it's the truth, so don't get snippy with me for simply stating how it is.

  • Avatar of dualaud dualaud Apr 15, 2009 at 03:50 UTC - 0 likes

    Yes, good move on patchday, grats... instead of letting it settle down, or releasing an improved client yourselves beforehand. *sigh* I don't care about the discontinued wowinterface client, which is ironically linked in the news post, or the weak/lacking Mac support (Intel *and* PPC) of both, or your hunt for advertisement clicks (you have mouths to feed), or the lack of you ability to get top notch developers who could build something which easily blows WoWmatrix out of the game... but:

    Guys, mind the timing. It is a PR desaster. Actually it somehow reminds me of Bizzard. We all knew when 3.1 was coming. If anything, you should also have known.

    Kaelten, maybe you should take into consideration that your bandwidth is caped, so downset and other users are just not able to sync their addon directory. "is probably due to" a 'fault' on your side. You made your point in the news posts. No need to point fingers per default.

    If you would have a decent PR person you wouldn't do that. You also wouldn't have proceeded like you did with the whole affair. Granted, whoever is responsible for this, did give you one good advice: Do not admit faults on your side. No matter the reaction of the community.

    Yes, I know, it is overwhelming. 11+ million users. So much, how do you call it... "potential"? Gah! Everyone gets nervous. Calm down, back to the basics. It is your job, do it good. Stay rooted.

    I don't know whether you are an america based company, but if so, you must have understood you new leader wrong. Working together does not mean singleling others out.

  • Avatar of Osjur Osjur Apr 15, 2009 at 03:39 UTC - 0 likes

    Well its nice that maybe curse & wowinterface will get less laggy now but I'm still not satisfied with your clients. WAU was the best updater but it got discontinued, then I had to start using wowmatrix as curse's own client was so messy at the time and now that I don't have any other choice but to use curse's own client: ill pass. Its plainly stupid that I have to L.O.G I.N to update my addons and at the same time watch adware. Just make a updater which is simple as WAU was (heck I dont care if there is adware or something) but stop that stupid "you need to login to use this program"

  • Avatar of Squeeg Squeeg Apr 15, 2009 at 02:36 UTC - 0 likes

    I think that was an awesome move, guys. Grats on winning a battle. =)

    The pro-WoWM propaganda is pretty funny to read btw.

  • Avatar of Kaelten Kaelten Apr 15, 2009 at 02:08 UTC - 0 likes

    downset, former wowmatrix user right? That high percentage of unknowns is probably due to wowmatrix editing addons.

    Or are you just PR staff yourself?

    WowAce.com & CurseForge.com Adminstrator
    Check out my new addon, OneChoice, it helps you pick quest rewards faster.
    Developer of Ace3, OneBag3, and many other addons and libraries
    Project lead and Mac developer for the Curse Client

  • Avatar of dualaud dualaud Apr 15, 2009 at 02:02 UTC - 0 likes

    ckknight, not for PPC machine users, unfortunately. So it is back to manually for us.

  • Avatar of Seerah Seerah Apr 15, 2009 at 01:29 UTC - 0 likes

    Ah, so nice to see you here, too, downset. Would you like another reminder that this move wasn't about "pushing the updaters or premium subscriptions"?

  • Avatar of downset downset Apr 15, 2009 at 01:01 UTC - 0 likes

    curse updater finds 4 of my 78 add-ons, not even talking about stability and errors

    the WOWI updater is a .jar file?

    stop the BS about working great read the forums people hate your updaters, only PR staff defend them. I cannot imagine this stunt on patch day and your software enticing many people to move to your so obviously being pushed premium service. (the real issue here not the bandwidth and ethical FUD).

    Lets hope Wowmatrix delivers again soon.

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